The ladies are phenomenal. Most of the guys are really good with the messages. The elderly man is not good. He only messaged one spot on me for 5 minutes straight and when I told him that he was making me sore, he went to a different sopt on my back, then back to the spot that made me sore. I suggest getting a message there, but not by him. And yes, I had him twice. Both times were the same thing.